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Post by Vida on Feb 9, 2015 3:40:13 GMT 1
Hi all forumers,
there is another thing to discuss. Do you think its good idea to mix up the teams and to create Draft System? THE 1ST choice: DRAFT SYSTEM - It means, that only captains (or captains + co-caps = this is 2nd choice) are in the team before the Draft, they announce team names, logos etc but without players in teams. Players interested in playing the league (all another players) sign for Draft and entering the Draft as unrestricted Free Agents. After, they are waiting which captain will choose them for his team. Players are chosen in Draft in the same way like NBA, NHL etc have. So 1 captain chooses 1 player in each round of the pre-season League Draft. Basically, in the 1st round are chosen the best players in the league by each captain and then these 1st round players are splitted to all teams - every captain has 1 choice in this (but also in each) round. The Draft order is on random. After in the 2nd round are the 2nd picks for all captains, but now its on vice-versa and the captain with the last pick in the 1st Draft round has the 1st pick in the 2nd Draft round. After that 3rd Draft round, 4th Draft Round etc Till the last round. Each team consist of 1 captain + 1st round player + 2nd round player + 3rd round player... + 6th round player (in case of 7 players in 1 each team). This allows mixing up the teams and balancing the league - making it more interesting and competitiveness, because captains want to choose the best player who are still possible in that particular round. And we all can know each other better with all new teams created. In addition to this, you dont need to search players and scout and persuade them to play OR if you are just 1 player without team (or friends), you just sign for draft and wait on draft. THE 2ND choice, call it "captain + co-cap", is the same, but Captain already starts with 1 co-captain (friend or beloved teammate from the last ssn) and they are together in team for sure. And after that, League Draft starts with 2 players in each team. In both the 1st and the 2nd choices is also allowed trading players between the teams. If 2 teams (captains) agree with trading the players, they can do this. For example: if lorZ has Vida in his team but he doesnt like Vida or just wants another player instead of him, he asks another captains - who wants Vida in the team? Insigne wants Vida and offers Tukk to lorZ. If lorZ agree with Tukk... The teams swap players and Vida is in Insigne's team now and Tukk is in lorZ's team now. THE 3RD choice is to form the teams like nowadays and without changes.
Discuss, please (I hope I have explained it well - if not, ask me here )
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Post by Sebastian on Feb 9, 2015 5:11:11 GMT 1
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Post by Sebastian on Feb 9, 2015 6:47:43 GMT 1
So, Vida asked me to write some more words and explanation than "dislike", well, I'll try to explain why this idea sucks.
In the NSL draft was a good idea, because in the first season we had about 10 players a good level, which became captains and took in his team all the other players in the Russian community.
In SpaceSports no problems with insufficient number of good players, so it is not necessary to restrict the freedom of the players. Everyone can play without hindrance from those with whom he wants, and then this formation of the teams we have about 8 contenders for third place. Teams are getting enough equal, and all have enjoy the game.
Bad sides draft-system: - The language barrier. Yes, maybe it's corny, but in the tournament have 4 teams, which consist of Russian players. And among them there are very few people understand English properly. Russian community is half our forum and you should to reckon with this. - Time zones. I think no need to explain. - In the tournament there are teams consisting of players in one country. (Russians, Polish, Turkish, Finnish, French, German, next season will be the Georgian) - Those who vote FOR the draft-system can also play with the standard system. Those who voted AGAINST it, will not play, provided the draft-system. I will not play when the draft-system. - Besides organizational issues. We can not find 12-14 captains for the teams that will be active, have a good reputation, which will have the desire to control the randomly gang of people. - Ping problems among the players of the same team. I am ready to look for a host for an hour to play with N2L, because I know that we have only two games with this team throughout the season. But I am not prepared to look for a host for an hour to play a friendly match or Public with my team, every time when I want to spend training.
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Post by Pepsi on Feb 9, 2015 8:02:28 GMT 1
As much as I like draft system (it should have brought so much fun) I'm against that idea. The real problems are language and player's ping in the same team as levski said. But you know what, I think we should have some rules that would protect the league from teams which consists of best players only like DT (I would write VP too, but most of you guys are stupid to think that kad, Alt and myself aren't so good as your chosen "allstars" ). So here is my idea. I think we should have some kind of salary cap system like NBA or NHL (ofc without luxury tax , if you even know what I mean). So main idea is to have each player to have his own value (salary). You ask me how should we count it. IMO it should consists of different options like games played, goals scored, assists made, goals against for gk, allstar appearances. Maybe you can add something else to that list. So this salary system would add some kind of GM mind besides playing matches only. Also there should min salary for the guys who haven't played any games in the league or played but no so much time as others. And ofc there should a maximum salary. So basically DT won't be allowed to have so many good players. I think this idea is really cool but many of you certainly wouldn't agree with me. 'Cause everyone want to see DT-VP battle again next season and play for the rest places, rofl.
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Post by kingdulli on Feb 9, 2015 11:46:53 GMT 1
As much as I like draft system (it should have brought so much fun) I'm against that idea. The real problems are language and player's ping in the same team as levski said. But you know what, I think we should have some rules that would protect the league from teams which consists of best players only like DT (I would write VP too, but most of you guys are stupid to think that kad, Alt and myself aren't so good as your chosen "allstars" ). So here is my idea. I think we should have some kind of salary cap system like NBA or NHL (ofc without luxury tax , if you even know what I mean). So main idea is to have each player to have his own value (salary). You ask me how should we count it. IMO it should consists of different options like games played, goals scored, assists made, goals against for gk, allstar appearances. Maybe you can add something else to that list. So this salary system would add some kind of GM mind besides playing matches only. Also there should min salary for the guys who haven't played any games in the league or played but no so much time as others. And ofc there should a maximum salary. So basically DT won't be allowed to have so many good players. I think this idea is really cool but many of you certainly wouldn't agree with me. 'Cause everyone want to see DT-VP battle again next season and play for the rest places, rofl. great idea! hart to transscript! easy to rig!
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Post by Spacko vom Dienst on Feb 9, 2015 13:57:56 GMT 1
I don't like draft system. If you get chosen as fifth or sixth player, probably in a team with someone you don't know or don't like, it's clear you're not going to play much. I think there'll be more players quitting. Also, mind the language barrier, as said above.
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Post by knarrrr on Feb 9, 2015 16:22:34 GMT 1
Pepsi your idea is great, but alpha already had a idea for making player values and after i wrote him how to make them we both agreed it would be to mutch work Draft is fun and i doub it would teams change very mutch as a cap still would draft players he like and can communicate with. Regular gametimes would make communication less important and a draft more sense full, just saying . I played 6 ssn of haxsb in 6 different teams and it been alot of fun to meet new mates every ssn, get reunited with old mates django, or to play with players you always wanted to play with (i have many names on that list on spacesports). Btw i was the only european who hadn't played for euroballers in ssn4, of course i've been a bit pissed over that, because i wanted to beat some fat murican asses with my eurosport friends, only reason why I started playing bounce, instead i got drafted by a different team that welcomed me so heartfull that i had the funniest ssn of my life and the moment lorz drafted me and i weared the golden jerseys of yurop in ssn5 it felt even better. I also disagree with the last rounder therory, i think it's mutch fairer to tell a player where he stands on draft night instead of asking someone to play with you and bench him afterwards. just looked up ssn5 draft, last round 5-6/10 still known players, six round 7-8 not bad imo Tl;dr I love haxsb I love draft
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Post by Vida on Feb 9, 2015 17:04:51 GMT 1
I don't like draft system. If you get chosen as fifth or sixth player, probably in a team with someone you don't know or don't like, it's clear you're not going to play much. I think there'll be more players quitting. Also, mind the language barrier, as said above. If there will be some players going, they will be punished for the next ssn because of refusing playing for the team. Or they can ask captain to trade themselves to another team if they dont like the current team. But there are many players going with the current rules too because they dont play OR they dont want to be apart of their teams anymore. And if somebody leaves the team, it increases chances for the 5th or 6th players. Its obvious that these players wont play much, but they dont play now any minute. With good captains they will get chances in Draft system too. And with the different timezones - I think its hard to have all players available, its hard now too for many teams even if they are in the same country. This new Draft system could solve this problem thanks to diversity in team and so the 5th or 6th rounders are still here when their the best players cant.
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Post by Vida on Feb 9, 2015 17:09:46 GMT 1
I also disagree with the last rounder therory, i think it's mutch fairer to tell a player where he stands on draft night instead of asking someone to play with you and bench him afterwards. Thats true, some players are benched even if their level is higher than starting trio in another teams. But these last rounders can show their skills to current captains during the whole season and their position can change to starting trio, why not. Just to know, Im not for this all idea but Im not against it if there is interest in it. I like my team and I would like to stay there with all current players. I just want to discuss with all community the topic, which was discussed in Admin Talk
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Post by Vida on Feb 9, 2015 22:05:40 GMT 1
Since Vesmirni Lide are on the 2nd place instead of Vsem Pizdets... Do you want to reconsider your thoughts and vote, Pepsi?
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