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Post by Alt on Oct 13, 2015 14:08:45 GMT 1
There we go, one new theory after "Fatih flew to the wrong side" (which appeared to be a fake). If he just went down a bit 1sec earlier 1 sec earlier he did exactly the opposite. He was going down, but he pressed "up" to stop himself of going to bottom where both of his teammates were already. After that as you can see on the replay he pressed "left". You cant do it if you are lagging, because when the spike goes you just proceed to move the same direction as before. But he made two different actions. And just after that this episod goes, where I'm ready to make a pass. And after I pressed "x" there was no chance to intercept pass from such short distance as was between me and Google - spaceballs physics with its acceleration just doesnt allow it.
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Post by Michi' on Oct 13, 2015 17:24:12 GMT 1
There we go, one new theory after "Fatih flew to the wrong side" (which appeared to be a fake). If he just went down a bit 1sec earlier 1 sec earlier he did exactly the opposite. He was going down, but he pressed "up" to stop himself of going to bottom where both of his teammates were already. After that as you can see on the replay he pressed "left". You cant do it if you are lagging, because when the spike goes you just proceed to move the same direction as before. But he made two different actions. And just after that this episod goes, where I'm ready to make a pass. And after I pressed "x" there was no chance to intercept pass from such short distance as was between me and Google - spaceballs physics with its acceleration just doesnt allow it. Okay, just 1 more: We discussed now again the goal, because we thought about your arguments. But we still think that it's possible, that a lag caused the goal. That's why we will stay with our decision. I know there are also arguments for the "no lag"-side, but we will never know 100% what's right. Just play the rest of the season and you still have good chances to get #1. Please no more off-topic now, only Match-Results. If you still have to say something post it to me privately or to another admin, thanks.
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Post by Alt on Oct 13, 2015 20:40:11 GMT 1
Okay, just 1 more: But we still think that it's possible, that a lag caused the goal. That's why we will stay with our decision. I know there are also arguments for the "no lag"-side, but we will never know 100% what's right. Seriosly? This is the only "reason" do you have? The match ended with score 2-2. To do something with the final score there should be certain and definite reason. Not just some "possible". It's you who should provide some facts which show that there definitely was a lag that definitely brought player/players out of the game which without the lag could prevent the goal. You do nothing of that. Ping issues started only after the goal was already inevitable and there were no one of Crimson to stop Biscuits from making a final shot. We can say it definitely. The problems with ping during the game and after this particular moment was caused by hosts problem. And when it happend, it happend to all players. But neither Biscuts nor I had problems with making ours shot and pass. We can say it definitely. In the moment before the goal Tunechi and Fatih were already out of the game and lags had nothing to do with that. We can say it definitely. The only one of Crimson who still participate the last seconds episode was Google. So the only way how this "possible" lag could cause the goal is bringing Google out of the game. Can you say it definitely? No, you cant. You can see how he was moving down first, how he pressed "up" to stop it, how he pressed "left" after, how he pressed "x" when the ball was near him. So let's sum it up. You cant say definitely that there was a lag at all (ping was alright). Only "possible". You cant say definitely that players were brought out of the game by this "possible" lag. You cant say definitely that someone was be able to prevent the goal. But to do something with final score you must be definitely sure on all of this. Still you canceled the goal. Doesnt it mean that you just took 1 point from Dream Team and gave it it Crimson without any reasons at all?
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Post by Michi' on Oct 13, 2015 21:03:47 GMT 1
So: Because i can't say 100% that it was a lag we can't give a lag goal? You also can't say 100% that it was no lag, and it was your host, so you're responsible for the ping. And if Turks say they had lag on your host and it is possible, because it's just about 1sec which could decide if it was lag goal or not, we just don't give the goal.
I'll just close this Thread now, i said before that you please shouldn't write anymore here, it's for Match Results, not for Match Discussions etc. If you have anything else, just let me know per private Message.
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Post by Alt on Oct 13, 2015 22:02:16 GMT 1
What is the point of closing the topic? If it's unappropriare place to discuss matter in "Match results" than you can create a new topic in "Discussions" and move all messages there. I've made the first part for you. So: Because i can't say 100% that it was a lag we can't give a lag goal? To cancel the goal and to change the final score there should be a clear reason. There should be facts which show that there definitely was a lag that definitely brought player/players out of the game which without the lag could prevent the goal. You also can't say 100% that it was no lag, and it was your host, so you're responsible for the ping. And if Turks say they had lag on your host and it is possible, because it's just about 1sec which could decide if it was lag goal or not, we just don't give the goal. It's allways possible that someone lags and you could never prove opposite. But there should be something more then "Turks say" to cancel the goal, dont you think?
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Post by Michi' on Oct 13, 2015 22:13:58 GMT 1
What is the point of closing the topic? If it's unappropriare place to discuss matter in "Match results" than you can create a new topic in "Discussions" and move all messages there. I've made the first part for you. So: Because i can't say 100% that it was a lag we can't give a lag goal? To cancel the goal and to change the final score there should be a clear reason. There should be facts which show that there definitely was a lag that definitely brought player/players out of the game which without the lag could prevent the goal. You also can't say 100% that it was no lag, and it was your host, so you're responsible for the ping. And if Turks say they had lag on your host and it is possible, because it's just about 1sec which could decide if it was lag goal or not, we just don't give the goal. It's allways possible that someone lags and you could never prove opposite. But there should be something more then "Turks say" to cancel the goal, dont you think? The reason is, that the admins decided in a democratic vote, that the lags had impact on the situation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 22:15:14 GMT 1
so Shut up Alt Your captain said "np"
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Post by Alt on Oct 13, 2015 22:39:19 GMT 1
The reason is, that the admins decided in a democratic vote, that the lags had impact on the situation. But no one of them still cant say how this "impact" was expressed and where we can see it...
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Post by Michi' on Oct 13, 2015 23:19:54 GMT 1
They said at the beginning, that they froze. And the ping went just to 500+, so something happened there. I think we talked now very much about that situation and i really hope you just play your next games and win then, even if you think admins failed with their decision.
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Post by Insigne on Oct 14, 2015 17:30:31 GMT 1
so Shut up Alt Your captain said "np" I said "np" because I dont care about this community who favoured the unfair and wins by forfeit. Only thing I dont understand, we must play one half in each host and I said Alt will our host for the second half but Crimson dont want and prefer I host even if I said they will probably lag because my host is so fdp these last time but they confirm me they want I host and now cry because lag ?
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